Cleve removing the master bath framing that was hanging on by 1 or 2 nails, and Eric in his hard core construction gear. Cleve is best described as the co-General Contractor of this project. He's flipped a few houses in the past and he and Eric spend hours contemplating how best to tackle different tasks/problems each day. I met Cleve about a year ago at the Walkersville reunion lacrosse game. He and Eric were the tallest, thinest & oldest guys on the field. I watched from the bleachers with mom Blodnikar & a PBR.